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Turner Hall Named On Top 10 List

Last April at the State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois, Landmarks Illinois named Belleville's Turner Hall to the state's 10 Most Endangered Historic Places list.  

This year’s list of threatened sites was announced on April 6th at a press conference at the State Capitol in Springfield.

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Local Preservation Official Urges Mayor to Save Building

Mr Michael Allen, Director of the Preservation Research Office and regional advisor to Landmarks Illinois, wrote the following letter to Belleville Mayor Mark Eckert on February 10, 2010.  He has authorized us to publish it here. << MORE >>

Belleville News Democrat Belatedly Reports on Petition

After receiving lots of inquiries about the lack of coverage, the Belleville News Democrat published a story, on the front page no less, reporting on the petitions submitted to the City Council on 1 February 2010.  Here is the text of that story followed by a link to the BND story. << MORE >>

Local Paper Ignores Petition Filing

The following letter, written to the Editor of the Belleville News Democrat, and published on 10 Feb 2010, challenged the local newspaper about its motive in not covering the submission of nearly 700 signatures urging the city to preserve Turner Hall.

This news ignored

On Feb. 1 at the Belleville City Council meeting, Andrea Cox submitted a petition with more than 680 signatures urging city leaders to preserve Turner Hall (on the first block of North First Street). Andrea spoke before the council during the public comment period and presented copies of the petition to each alderman and to the mayor.

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City Council Meeting 1 Feb 2010 - Petition to be Submitted

On Monday, February 1st at 7pm, Andrea Cox will present over six hundred signatures to the Mayor of Belleville and the City Council, urging officials to preserve Turner Hall (also known as the Old YMCA building).

Mrs. Cox will use the two minute public comment period to offer the signatures in the form of a petition.  The signatures were gathered at the downtown business owned by Mrs. Cox, and reflect the desires of patrons, many of whom live or work in downtown Belleville.

Please come and show your support for this effort merely by your presence.  For more information, send an email directly to Mrs. Cox at andrea@oregontrailroasting.com.

Turner Hall to be nominated for Ten Most Endangered historic sites in Illinois

1. Name of Submitter (withheld for privacy) 2. << MORE >>

Mayor's Special Committee to Hear Ideas

On Wednesday, 26 August 2009, at the City Council Chamber, City Hall, Belleville (corner of Illinois Street and Washington Street), the Mayor's Special Committee on Turner Hall (also known as the Old YMCA Building) will meet at 7:00pm to review ideas submitted focusing on what best to do with the building. This is a public meeting and we encourage everyone to attend.

BELLEVILLE’S TURNER HALL IN WAR AND PEACE, by Robert Brunkow

Turner Hall marked the apogee of the Turnverein movement in Belleville. Organized in the German states to promote “a sound mind in a sound body”—and associated with reform—the gymnasium movement reached Belleville in 1852.<< MORE >>

Belleville Needs an Arts and Performance Center

Belleville's Art on the Square is a huge attraction and is the largest single draw of visitors to our area. Belleville can do much more to capitalize on this growing reputation with the arts community.

Located right next to the Public Square, where Art on the Square takes place each year, is the Belleville Turners building, now owned by the city. This structure, though in need of repair, would be ideal for creating an artists ground-zero. The City could accept offers (they pay us) to renovate the upstairs locations as artist lofts where artists are able ...<< MORE >>

The Perfect Storm (Stimulus to the Rescue)

The National Trust for Historic Preservation tells us what we should already know: The stimulus presents an unprecedented opportunity to direct funding towards preservation and revitalization efforts. As you know, historic preservation is a proven tool for economic development and job creation. It is 20 to 40 percent more labor intensive than new construction, and it continually generates more than a dollar return on each dollar invested. As a powerful engine that drives real, sustainable economic growth, preservation can (and should) be a key strategy for our economic recovery.

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No Building is Beyond Repair (or Restoration)

The former owner’s neglect left the house and grounds "in a dreadful state of disrepair." The orchards, terraced gardens, flower borders, walkways, and roads had "all but disappeared". The outbuildings had fallen; the lawns were uprooted by pigs. The front steps were decayed and broken, and the west steps were covered with mud and muck that had accumulated for years. The gutters and downspouts were falling away, the roof and skylights were rotting, windows were broken, and the basement was filled with water. Someone had stabled cattle in the basement during the winter and stored grain in the once-elegant drawing rooms. Souvenir hunters had chipped away much.

Click here to find out what prominent building this was.

"Not for Ourselves, but for Others": The Belleville Turners

[This is an earlier version of a history written by Bob Brunkow and presented by Judy Belleville to the City of Belleville YMCA Building Committee on 22 April, 2009]


On a warm June day in 1924, upwards of 2,000 people turned out for the dedication of the Belleville Turners’ new hall. Press coverage marveled at the scale of the building—it housed the largest Turner gym in the United States, the quality of the workmanship, and the speed with which the $125,000 ($1.5 million in 2009 dollars) facility had been constructed. The Turners had come a long way since 1851, ...<< MORE >>

Recent Article on the Belleville Turner's Building (Old YMCA)

Here is a recent article published by the Suburban Journals on the Belleville Turner's Building (aka Old YMCA).

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2009/02/25/stclair/news//0225fhj-bvoldymca.txt

Here's why we must save the Y


The Case for Preserving the Historic Turner (Old YMCA) Building in Belleville* 


   1. Public Infrastructure. Almost without exception, historic buildings are where public infrastructure already exists. No new water lines, sewer lines, streets, curbs or gutters are required.


   2. Municipalities need financial resources if they are going to grow smart. Vacant, unused and underused historic buildings brought back to life are also brought back as tax-generating assets for a community.


   3. New activities - residential, retail, office and manufacturing - in historic buildings inherently reinforces the viability of public ...<< MORE >>

Just Leave It Alone


by Theodore W. Hild, Chief of Staff


Preservation Services Division


Illinois Historic Preservation Agency


Reprinted from a magazine article dated June 2002:


It takes a lot of time to make old buildings. Sometimes they just have to be put on the back burner and left to simmer for a few decades until they are ready to be significant. Sometimes while sitting there they get swept away in periodic bursts of urban renewal fervor, demolished in a fit of redevelopment frenzy, or remodeled into something completely different. Survivors bide their time waiting quietly for the ...<< MORE >>

What's Going On with the Turner Building (Old YMCA)

The YMCA occupied Turner Hall from 1960 until Dec, 2005, when it opened a new facility.  The city acquired the property and it has sat vacant with all utilities turned off since then.  Some in the city have been keen to demolish the building for parking or possibly a new police facility.  The city is aware of preservation interest.  A decision on demolition, according to the mayor's office will be made in 2009.   The city has not issued an RFI to determine interest in developing the building for adaptive reuse.  NOTE:    The old YMCA pool which fronts W. Main St. ...<< MORE >>

Historical Significance of the Turner Building (Old YMCA)

The Turnverein organization in Belleville dates back to 1852.  The Turners built three buildings in Belleville and this is the only building remaining.  It is a monumental building in Belleville both architecturally and historically. 

In 1870, 90% of Belleville's population was German or of German extraction.  The German migration which began in 1818 swelled in the 1830s and 1840s and continued through the Civil War.  The emigration pattern closely paralleled political unrest and a desire for democracy in Germany.  The promotion of a unified Germany and an interest in creating a Democratic Germany became a political issue with the Turnverein.  ...<< MORE >>

All about the Turner Building (Old YMCA)

The 30,000 sq.ft brick building is two stories tall with the upper portion of the basement out of the ground which makes the Turner Gym 2 1/2 stories high.  The Art Deco style building is positioned on a corner in city landscape fashion -- on the street.  As you can see from the photographs posted elsewhere on this blog, some windows and an entry have been altered but restoration can easily be accomplished.  The streetscape of the Turner Building which was built in 1923 has remained unchanged.  The original gym with its wood boat truss roof and oak flooring is ...<< MORE >>
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